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	== Harm Reduction ==		== Harm Reduction ==

	There is only ~~two~~ '''MAJOR''' rules about dxm use, and they are as follows :		There is only three '''MAJOR''' rules about dxm use, and they are as follows :

	*'''NEVER''' use any preparation of DXM that has '''ANY''' other active ingredients, as they can make you sick and/or dead. See [[DXM#Adulteration\|Adulteration]]		*'''NEVER''' use any preparation of DXM that has '''ANY''' other active ingredients, as they can make you sick and/or dead. See [[DXM#Adulteration\|Adulteration]]
	*Keep in mind this general rule of thumb for DXM : 1 plateau/week.		*Keep in mind this general rule of thumb for DXM : 1 plateau/week.
	**In other words, If you take a Third Plateau Dose, wait 3 weeks before using again. If you use a Second Plateau dose, wait 2 weeks before using again.		**In other words, If you take a Third Plateau Dose, wait 3 weeks before using again. If you use a Second Plateau dose, wait 2 weeks before using again.
			*Watch out what you are mixing DXM with, as mixing with certain drugs can cause serotonin syndrome, or Ataxia, see [[DXM#Interactions\|Interactions]]

	See [[Dissociatives#Harm_Reduction\|Dissociative Harm Reduction]] for general information.		See [[Dissociatives#Harm_Reduction\|Dissociative Harm Reduction]] for general information.

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	== Harm Reduction ==		== Harm Reduction ==

			There is only two '''MAJOR''' rules about dxm use, and they are as follows :

			*'''NEVER''' use any preparation of DXM that has '''ANY''' other active ingredients, as they can make you sick and/or dead. See [[DXM#Adulteration\|Adulteration]]
			*Keep in mind this general rule of thumb for DXM : 1 plateau/week.
			**In other words, If you take a Third Plateau Dose, wait 3 weeks before using again. If you use a Second Plateau dose, wait 2 weeks before using again.

	See [[Dissociatives#Harm_Reduction\|Dissociative Harm Reduction]] for general information.		See [[Dissociatives#Harm_Reduction\|Dissociative Harm Reduction]] for general information.

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Plateau Sigma

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	Many people refer to this level as "plateau sigma" because when you get to this state, your sigma receptors are hit on, and HARD. This completely changes the trip. This mind state is generally referred to as dysphoric, dark, confusing and "a hellish introspective nightmare". As one user put it "it's a dark and confusing dream-like state where everything you think you know is insanely hard to grasp while all of your wildest, most bizarre fantasies are merely common, boring every day events that feel as normal as waking up and drinking coffee."		Many people refer to this level as "plateau sigma" because when you get to this state, your sigma receptors are hit on, and HARD. This completely changes the trip. This mind state is generally referred to as dysphoric, dark, confusing and "a hellish introspective nightmare". As one user put it "it's a dark and confusing dream-like state where everything you think you know is insanely hard to grasp while all of your wildest, most bizarre fantasies are merely common, boring every day events that feel as normal as waking up and drinking coffee."

	As with 4th plateau, it's hard to describe as amnesia is quite common and information about this state is quite rare as it is. That being said, this state has ~~NEVER~~ been reported as being pleasurable '''AT ALL'''. Most people describe it as dark and confusing, like a living nightmare.		As with 4th plateau, it's hard to describe as amnesia is quite common and information about this state is quite rare as it is. That being said, this state has VERY RARELY been reported as being pleasurable '''AT ALL'''. Most people describe it as dark and confusing, like a living nightmare.

	For more information, the William White FAQ has a lovely little section on Plateau Sigma at [https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_experience.shtml#toc.5.9 This Page]		For more information, the William White FAQ has a lovely little section on Plateau Sigma at [https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_experience.shtml#toc.5.9 This Page]

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	=== Redosing ===		=== Redosing ===

	Redosing is not advised because of potential risk of risk of sigma. For more information, see [[DXM#~~Pleateau~~ Sigma\|Plateau Sigma]]		Redosing is not advised because of potential risk of risk of sigma. For more information, see [[DXM#Plateau Sigma\|Plateau Sigma]]

	It's better to know how much you've taken at the start of the trip, rather than guesstimate how much you're on as you keep dosing. The effects will start to come in waves and may not be pleasant. If you feel the need, it's recommended to take a high initial dose and a lower dose 1-2 hours in. As the duration of the trip is extended with dose boosting or redosing, the dysphoric aspects of the experience increase, until eventually most people report feeling like the walking dead. Not to mention by extending the duration of the trip you are increasing the chance for adverse effects and brain damage.		It's better to know how much you've taken at the start of the trip, rather than guesstimate how much you're on as you keep dosing. The effects will start to come in waves and may not be pleasant. If you feel the need, it's recommended to take a high initial dose and a lower dose 1-2 hours in. As the duration of the trip is extended with dose boosting or redosing, the dysphoric aspects of the experience increase, until eventually most people report feeling like the walking dead. Not to mention by extending the duration of the trip you are increasing the chance for adverse effects and brain damage.

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Plateau Sigma

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	As with 4th plateau, it's hard to describe as amnesia is quite common and information about this state is quite rare as it is. That being said, this state has NEVER been reported as being pleasurable '''AT ALL'''. Most people describe it as dark and confusing, like a living nightmare.		As with 4th plateau, it's hard to describe as amnesia is quite common and information about this state is quite rare as it is. That being said, this state has NEVER been reported as being pleasurable '''AT ALL'''. Most people describe it as dark and confusing, like a living nightmare.

			For more information, the William White FAQ has a lovely little section on Plateau Sigma at [https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_experience.shtml#toc.5.9 This Page]

	== Harm Reduction ==		== Harm Reduction ==

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Redosing

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	=== Redosing ===		=== Redosing ===

	Redosing is not advised~~. (~~because risk of sigma? make reference to see ~~sigma)~~		Redosing is not advised because of potential risk of risk of sigma. For more information, see [[DXM#Pleateau Sigma\|Plateau Sigma]]

	It's better to know how much you've taken at the start of the trip, rather than guesstimate how much you're on as you keep dosing. The effects will start to come in waves and may not be pleasant. If you feel the need, it's recommended to take a high initial dose and a lower dose 1-2 hours in.		It's better to know how much you've taken at the start of the trip, rather than guesstimate how much you're on as you keep dosing. The effects will start to come in waves and may not be pleasant. If you feel the need, it's recommended to take a high initial dose and a lower dose 1-2 hours in. As the duration of the trip is extended with dose boosting or redosing, the dysphoric aspects of the experience increase, until eventually most people report feeling like the walking dead. Not to mention by extending the duration of the trip you are increasing the chance for adverse effects and brain damage.

	=== Predosing ===		=== Predosing ===

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	\| ~~Total \|\|~~ 6-8 hours ~~of the actual high, with an afterglow~~ effect of 8-16 hours, depending on dose		\| High of 6-8 hours \|\| Afterglow effect of 8-16 hours after dose, depending on dose

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	\| ~~Total \|\|~~ 8-12 hours ~~with an afterglow~~ effect of 16-36 hours, depending on dose		\| High of 8-12 hours \|\| Afterglow effect of 16-36 hours after dose, depending on dose

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Predosing

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	Grapefruit juice can potentiate dxm 30-50% additionally due to interactions with cytochrome P450-2D6.<ref>http://medicine.iupui.edu/clinpharm/ddis/2d6references/#dextromethorphanSub</ref> <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP2D6</ref>		Grapefruit juice can potentiate dxm 30-50% additionally due to interactions with cytochrome P450-2D6.<ref>http://medicine.iupui.edu/clinpharm/ddis/2d6references/#dextromethorphanSub</ref> <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP2D6</ref>

	In order to properly predose, drink at least 16oz (500mL) 2 hours prior to the point where you dose the dxm itself.		In order to properly predose, drink at least 16oz (500mL) of grapefruit juice 2 hours prior to the point where you dose the dxm itself.

	== Effects ==		== Effects ==

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	The dosage below refers to an "average" 180lbs / 80kg person taking DXM HBR. Before dosing it's important to note a few things:		The dosage below refers to an "average" 180lbs / 80kg person taking DXM HBR. Before dosing it's important to note a few things:

	* HBR and Polistirex doses vary significantly due to polistirex slow absorbsion rate. Dextromethorphan Polistrex has a slightly different dose range, but it's fairly easy to understand. Consider the effective mg to be roughly 50-75% of the effect over roughly 1.5-2x the length of the high and glow.		* HBR and Polistirex doses vary significantly due to polistirex slow absorbsion rate.
			**Dextromethorphan Polistrex has a slightly different dose range, but it's fairly easy to understand. Consider the effective mg to be roughly 50-75% of the effect over roughly 1.5-2x the length of the high and glow.

	* '''DXM doses are affected by weight'''. For more accurate dosage information, see the following resources:		* '''DXM doses are affected by weight'''. For more accurate dosage information, see the following resources:

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	There are various 'stages' to DXM trips called ''plateaus''. Traditionally, there are only four plateaus that someone should try to aim for. All of them share general feelings of dissociation, but the strength and effects of these feelings are more pronounced in the later two plateaus.		There are various 'stages' to DXM trips called ''plateaus''. Traditionally, there are only four plateaus that someone should try to aim for. All of them share general feelings of dissociation, but the strength and effects of these feelings are more pronounced in the later two plateaus.

	~~There are~~ two plateaus are commonly associated with a mix of being high on THC and drunk on alcohol. If you take a ~~first plateau~~ dose, it's totally possible to socialize. At second, it becomes harder, but not impossible. Lower plateau doses are relatively easy to hide compared to higher plateau doses and talking with others becomes a lot easier while under the influence of DXM. It would also be fun to chill in your room alone and do whatever you normally do for fun, but it's suggested to try something that will take up most of your attention but allow your mind to wander at the same time. Something like playing a casual video game, or drawing whatever comes to mind.		The first two plateaus are commonly associated with a mix of being high on THC and drunk on alcohol. If you take a First Plateau dose, it's totally possible to socialize. At second, it becomes harder, but not impossible. Lower plateau doses are relatively easy to hide compared to higher plateau doses and talking with others becomes a lot easier while under the influence of DXM. It would also be fun to chill in your room alone and do whatever you normally do for fun, but it's suggested to try something that will take up most of your attention but allow your mind to wander at the same time. Something like playing a casual video game, or drawing whatever comes to mind.

	If you take a ~~third~~ or ~~fourth~~ plateau dose, it's recommend to trip alone or with a close friend, as it's not a social drug at this dose. The best way to enjoy it is to lay back and listen to music with your eyes closed.		If you take a Third or Fourth plateau dose, it is recommend to trip alone or with a close friend, as it is not a social drug at this dose. The best way to enjoy it is to lay back and listen to music with your eyes closed.

	Choosing your destination plateau will depend a lot on what other drugs you've done and how comfortable you are with your own mind. People who have never tried any hallucinogen other than marijuana and/or alcohol should start at First Plateau, while people with mushrooms or [[LSD]] experience could start at Second. '''It is not advised to start at the ~~third~~ or ~~fourth~~''' unless you have extensive experience with other dissociatives.		Choosing your destination plateau will depend a lot on what other drugs you've done and how comfortable you are with your own mind. People who have never tried any hallucinogen other than marijuana and/or alcohol should start with a First Plateau dose, while people with mushrooms or [[LSD]] experience could start at a Second Plateau dose. '''It is not advised to start at the Third or Fourth plateau''' unless you have extensive experience with other dissociatives.

	=== First Plateau ===		=== First Plateau ===

	The ~~first plateau~~ is the lightest in effect. It feels a bit 'off', and is often likened to something of a cross between the effects of [[MDA]] and Alcohol. First plateau is usually slightly stimulating. The First plateau has also been described as "basically like a hit or two of good weed and 2-3 beers with 10 minutes of a 'trip' about 2 hours in."		The First Plateau is the lightest in effect. It feels a bit 'off', and is often likened to something of a cross between the effects of [[MDA]] and Alcohol. First plateau is usually slightly stimulating. The First plateau has also been described as "basically like a hit or two of good weed and 2-3 beers with 10 minutes of a 'trip' about 2 hours in."

	Effects commonly experienced at the first plateau level		Effects commonly experienced at the first plateau level
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	Most people stop their DXM journey here, as the higher two plateaus are not really '''fun''' but ''introspective'' and ''enlightening''. We don't recommend crossing this threshold until you're ready to move on from a lighter, happier experience to a sometimes darker and definitely more introspective full blown trip. Enjoy the 2nd plateau as long as you can because it's more of a fun experience and one tends to enjoy second plateau less after visiting the third plateau. "Once you see what's behind the curtain, you can't enjoy the show" so they say.		Most people stop their DXM journey here, as the higher two plateaus are not really '''fun''' but ''introspective'' and ''enlightening''. We don't recommend crossing this threshold until you're ready to move on from a lighter, happier experience to a sometimes darker and definitely more introspective full blown trip. Enjoy the 2nd plateau as long as you can because it's more of a fun experience and one tends to enjoy second plateau less after visiting the third plateau. "Once you see what's behind the curtain, you can't enjoy the show" so they say.

	Additionally, exactly at 7.5mg/kg there is an elusive "Eiffel Tower" dose where you experience the effects of both the ~~second~~ and ~~third~~ plateaus simultaneously.		Additionally, exactly at 7.5mg/kg there is an elusive "Eiffel Tower" dose where you may experience the effects of both the Second and Third plateaus simultaneously.

	=== Third Plateau ===		=== Third Plateau ===

	Third ~~plateau~~ is a full on dissociative experience. You cannot ignore the feeling inside of you and at this point its no longer a social drug and should be done by yourself or with a sitter. The third plateau isn't 'party-mode' or even 'socialize-mode'. Its more like 'alone-and-tripping-mode'. Closed eye visuals are more prominent at this level. You will lose track of time quit easily as it becomes meaningless quite quickly. Large amounts of dissociation happens at this level, and the internal thoughts can be quite interesting. To explain further, you may start to feel like you don't belong in your own body, or that your mind and body are two ~~seperate~~ beings. Additionally, thoughts may be similar to "My body is only what everyone else sees but not really me, because I am just my mind, not my body."		Third Plateau is a full on dissociative experience. You cannot ignore the feeling inside of you and at this point its no longer a social drug and should be done by yourself or with a sitter. The third plateau isn't 'party-mode' or even 'socialize-mode'. Its more like 'alone-and-tripping-mode'. Closed eye visuals are more prominent at this level. You will lose track of time quit easily as it becomes meaningless quite quickly. Large amounts of dissociation happens at this level, and the internal thoughts can be quite interesting. To explain further, you may start to feel like you don't belong in your own body, or that your mind and body are two separate beings. Additionally, thoughts may be similar to "My body is only what everyone else sees but not really me, because I am just my mind, not my body."

	'''Third Plateau dose: 7.5-15 mg/kg.'''		'''Third Plateau dose: 7.5-15 mg/kg.'''
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	=== Plateau Sigma ===		=== Plateau Sigma ===

	There is another level that DXM can take you to, but it is not higher in dosage than 4th plateau, it is more of an extension of 2nd and 3rd plateaus. In order to get to this state, you must binge. For this reason '''WE HIGHLY ~~RECCOMEND~~ AGAINST IT!''' For example, a user has said "I took a 3rd plateau dose, then when it was starting to wear off, I took a 2nd plateau dose, when that was finally coming down, I took a 3rd plateau dose again, and when that came down, I did ANOTHER 2nd plateau dose. When that final dose hit, I was stuck in Plateau Sigma."		There is another level that DXM can take you to, but it is not higher in dosage than 4th plateau, it is more of an extension of 2nd and 3rd plateaus. In order to get to this state, you must binge. For this reason '''WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST IT!''' For example, a user has said "I took a 3rd plateau dose, then when it was starting to wear off, I took a 2nd plateau dose, when that was finally coming down, I took a 3rd plateau dose again, and when that came down, I did ANOTHER 2nd plateau dose. When that final dose hit, I was stuck in Plateau Sigma."

	Many people refer to this level as "plateau sigma" because when you get to this state, your sigma receptors are hit on, and HARD. This completely changes the trip. This mind state is generally referred to as dysphoric, dark, confusing and "a hellish introspective nightmare". As one user put it "it's a dark and confusing dream-like state where everything you think you know is insanely hard to grasp while all of your wildest, most bizarre fantasies are merely common, boring every day events that feel as normal as waking up and drinking coffee."		Many people refer to this level as "plateau sigma" because when you get to this state, your sigma receptors are hit on, and HARD. This completely changes the trip. This mind state is generally referred to as dysphoric, dark, confusing and "a hellish introspective nightmare". As one user put it "it's a dark and confusing dream-like state where everything you think you know is insanely hard to grasp while all of your wildest, most bizarre fantasies are merely common, boring every day events that feel as normal as waking up and drinking coffee."
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	DXM has several potentially dangerous interactions with pharmaceutical and recreational drugs including analgesics (painkillers), antihistamines, antidepressants and stimulants.		DXM has several potentially dangerous interactions with pharmaceutical and recreational drugs including analgesics (painkillers), antihistamines, antidepressants and stimulants.

	DXM has the potential to cause [[Serotonin Syndrome]] if mixed with other serotonergic drugs such as [[Antidepressants\|antidepressants]] that act as SSRIs, MAOIs, empathogens which affect serotonin release such as [[MDMA]], [[MDA]], [[Mephedrone]], ~~etc~~.		DXM has the potential to cause [[Serotonin Syndrome]] if mixed with other serotonergic drugs such as [[Antidepressants\|antidepressants]] that act as SSRIs, MAOIs, empathogens which affect serotonin release such as [[MDMA]], [[MDA]], [[Mephedrone]], [[Tramadol]], 2-c-t-x drugs, [[MXE]], aMT, ect.
	Serotonin Syndrome causes discomfort, excitability, irritability, diarrhea, moodswings, seizures, coma and can be deadly <ref>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2464814/</ref> if not treated.		Serotonin Syndrome causes discomfort, excitability, irritability, diarrhea, moodswings, seizures, coma and can be deadly <ref>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2464814/</ref> if not treated.